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 LATEST TOPICS |  FORUMS » SHAW CABLE » SHAW: NEW INTERNET PACKAGES, UNLIMITED B...
Subject: RE: Shaw: new internet packages, unlimited bandwidth
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Hyperlight May 26, 2011 11:39 AM Reply | Bookmark
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Well, you don't need bridge mode. They have DOCSIS3 modems. I used to have one for warp before the new XI speed increases and I went back.

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Saberon May 26, 2011 11:40 AM Reply | Bookmark
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I understand that, but in my area they do not have the DOCSIS3 standalone modem for some bizarre reason. That's why I'm hoping I can grab the Cisco and bridge mode it seeing as it will become the new "standard hardware"

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Dante_ Xaiver™ May 26, 2011 11:41 AM Reply | Bookmark
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Took another look at what they are offering and see they are still stuffing tv down our throats . cant get these new packages unless you have tv included.

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Greg * NCIX.com May 26, 2011 11:44 AM Reply | Bookmark
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They're planning on increasing the available bandwidth by pushing more analog channels into digital. Anything above basic cable will be moving to digital only node by node. Phase 2 will be implemented node by node as the analog channels are shut off.

Quote: ({--M--} @ May 25 2011, 09:15 PM)

On an over-subscribed network, there needs to be some form of peak hour bandwidth management in order to maintain quality of service.

That's what I kept telling them too. It's more important to manage the bandwidth and encourage off peak use than it is to just blatantly increase the speeds.

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Linuxwolf May 26, 2011 11:45 AM Reply | Bookmark
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Yes you can its called Stand-alone rate. I am quite happy with what they have come up with.

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Dante_ Xaiver™ May 26, 2011 11:46 AM Reply | Bookmark
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Why not throttle the *****out of the users who just use their connections to read emails and view pictures of their grandchildren , and save the bandwidth for users who would make better use of it .

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Saberon May 26, 2011 11:46 AM Reply | Bookmark
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There is no standalone rate for Phase 1 packages which will take over in June 2011, so I'm a little interested to see what happens.

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Dante_ Xaiver™ May 26, 2011 11:47 AM Reply | Bookmark
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Sure you may say the 150 dollars is reasonable but what about the increase every year in the cost of the service?

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Linuxwolf May 26, 2011 11:54 AM Reply | Bookmark
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I got a better idea throttle all you people that do nothing but download Illegal bit-*******s, usenet movies, etc, etc and give you unlimited bandwidth at 5mbps. So those of us who use the net for LEGAL activitys and game online dont have 300ms pings.

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Dante_ Xaiver™ May 26, 2011 11:56 AM Reply | Bookmark
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Ok tell me what use could someone have for a 250/15 connection if they shouldn't be downloading from the high seas

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Spudnik May 26, 2011 11:57 AM Reply | Bookmark
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Wow, it must be someone's time of the month...

When I use my "net for LEGAL activitys and game online" I never have a problem with my ping (<100). What makes you so special?

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[bernZ] May 26, 2011 11:58 AM Reply | Bookmark
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Running off-site backups? Or procuring off-site backups?

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Linuxwolf May 26, 2011 12:00 PM Reply | Bookmark
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Then pay for what you use, just because you drive more then the guy next door does not mean you should get get more gas cheaper then the guy next door. Same should apply to bandwidth, you use you, you pay for it.

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chris_b May 26, 2011 12:02 PM Reply | Bookmark
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Umm, I hear false accusations are illegal, too

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Dante_ Xaiver™ May 26, 2011 12:06 PM Reply | Bookmark
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Not only False accusations but lets see , Fraud , Slander, racketeering, ruining peoples lives, Breach of public trust all of this is what the people we are supposedly harming by filesharing do.

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Spudnik May 26, 2011 12:06 PM Reply | Bookmark
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Actually, that's why I take public transit. Since I use it so frequently I get a bus pass (or student pass through University), which saves me money on fare.

Essentially, since I am a "more frequent" user of transit, I get "more [transit] cheaper than the guy next door." :D

EDIT: Added quote for context.

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Dante_ Xaiver™ May 26, 2011 12:14 PM Reply | Bookmark
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ROTFLMAO!! WOW

Never thought of it that way , the more you use the cheaper it should be

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Greg * NCIX.com May 26, 2011 12:18 PM Reply | Bookmark
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That concern was also brought up yesterday. A few customers were concerned that we needed standalone options. Shaw may have an option for those without TV service at some point as well.

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Doonz May 26, 2011 12:20 PM Reply | Bookmark
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Not sure if that was directed at me.

But I keep roughly 20TB offsite in a datacenter wich then mirrors to another datacenter.


I had worked out a deal with one*** for a small fee they will take a hdd that i shipped to them and insert  into my colod servers now i will be able to do incremental backups and not worry about my bandwidth

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Todd™ May 26, 2011 12:22 PM Reply | Bookmark
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Well since you can technically only ride one bus at once, consider the speed that the bus travels at as your internet speed.

Then add in bandwidth, your ability to ride multiple buses or even fill multiple seats at once. Now you take up 20 seats on a bus because there are 20 of you. Do you think your bus pass should allow you to take up 20 seats on a bus at the same time? How about 20 on each of multiple buses at the same time?

Makes you go hmmmm?

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DaleF May 26, 2011 12:25 PM Reply | Bookmark
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I'm interested in what Shaw's competition will do to respond to this.
Telus is pretty constrained by their technonolgy. And they have huge problems hitting their maximum speeds (or anywhere close if you're too far away). It'll probably take them a couple years to get a fiber network rolled out, so until then...
Yes, I do realise that Shaw has problems in a few isolated area, but it's nothing like Telus' overall slow network. I'll take my stable 25Mb/s down on Shaw over Telus' irregular network (especially at peak) anyday.

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Dante_ Xaiver™ May 26, 2011 12:30 PM Reply | Bookmark
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The best Telus could do in the near future is FTTB but until then 50mbits could be rolled out.

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Spudnik May 26, 2011 12:30 PM Reply | Bookmark
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I don't think that makes too much sense in my context. I was responding to Linuxwolf's earlier post with the gasoline analogy.

Car = Usage Base Billing equal to everyone

Bus Pass = Not UBB/unlimited

You can argue the versatility of a vehicle, but for my needs (similar to how people have needs for their internetz) a bus or car would serve the same function (go to work/school/mall/grocery store/etc...).

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Roy_W May 26, 2011 12:37 PM Reply | Bookmark
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This is why you have a choice between a slower unlimited travel system. With a cost more system that you get more out of it because you are using more "energy".

i personally like these new packages that being said. I want to do some speed tests regularly when they are released to see what were actually getting.

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[bernZ] May 26, 2011 12:41 PM Reply | Bookmark
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It does. Because the buses now all have to slow down to 5KM/h instead of 50KM/h because my bus pass limits me to an aggregated speed of 50KM/h.



Just because you don't maximize your use of the Internet, doesn't mean I'm not allowed to.

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Hotshot May 26, 2011 12:48 PM Reply | Bookmark
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looks, its this simple...

I want 20/1 and DL 500GB per month. An old laddy wants 20/1 but wants to dl 50GB per month... We both are neighbors in new houses...

In both cases:
- The ISP needs to dig to place fiber
- The ISP needs to invest for new equipment.
- The ISP needs to maintain the equipment.

The price should almost be the same. The reason that its not is because the ISP cheats and offers speeds they cannot guarantee because they oversale there network.

So instead of being fair and charging these 500GB cust the cost of electricty and wear and tear they try to over charge to pad there pocket, and if the 500GB cust now does 250$, its just more free cust the ISP can jam into its network.

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Dante_ Xaiver™ May 26, 2011 12:57 PM Reply | Bookmark
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Selling and providing a service you can not provide could be considered fraud and theft then .

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[bernZ] May 26, 2011 12:58 PM Reply | Bookmark
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Ah, but they usually get away with it.

Providing [smallest print possible] UP TO [/smallest print possible] 250mbps!!!!oneoneone

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Greg * NCIX.com May 26, 2011 01:05 PM Reply | Bookmark
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Telus Business accounts without an SLA do this too.

If you have DSL without a contracted minimum speed, the bare minimum they have to provide is I think only 56k.

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Dante_ Xaiver™ May 26, 2011 01:33 PM Reply | Bookmark
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Am i the only one who thinks 100 dollars for 250/15 sounds fair and 150 is to high?

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